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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 11:54:27 -0400
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I went to the free Truman's Water/Love Child show at the UCLA pub
last night and who should sit next to us, none other than Kim Gordon.
She was very low key, I don't think anybody realized who she was until
later.  I guess her and Thurston are official talent scouts for Geffen
these days, so don't be surprised if either Love Child or Truman's
Water show up on x-static peace (or whatever it's called).  Anyway's
both bands were really good, very sonicyouthy.  I think kitten is
playing at the rock for choice benefit at the palladium next week
with bikini kill and some other bands, which might explain her
appearence.  Any fan of sy should like Truman's Water, they've got
I think two albums on homestead and a couple singles, check 'em out.

Andy



From [e-mail] Fri Apr 23 18:36:55 1993
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From: John Neilson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Repost? Sister vs. Evol
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:33:21 -0400
Status: RO

>
>
> Uh, Mason Jar wrote:
> >does anyone know that Sister was recorded entirely on tube
> equipment?  yea, that's why it has that luscious warm sound.
> of course, I have it on cd wich may defeat the purpose a bit :)
> --------
>
> Actually, I think ALL their stuff has been recorded on tube (or at least
> analog) equipment.
>
...
> I also have Evol in both formats, and again, it sounds pretty good.
Sister's
> the one where I really notice the difference in sound.
>

Yes, they use a lot of tube amplification, but Mason Jar is right when
he points out that Sister is the only one that was recorded at an all
tube STUDIO -- Sear Sound in NYC.

Sister IS a very warm sounding record.  Too bad about the boxy drum sound
though . . .




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Subject: Re: butchering
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:50:13 -0400
Status: RO

>
> Mason Boor:
>
> >I for one kind of enjoy the production of dirty.
> >For one thing, the drums have KICK.
>
> Some people dislike Vig's straight-ahead, turn everything up the same
> production style, but I really like the fact that the bass and drums can
> be heard on this mix for a change.  I've always felt that Shelley's work
> has been short-changed on album and that a small tweak in his favor would
> help, so Vig's work kinda satisfied my curiousity as to whether not it
> would sound good.  I think it does.
>
> Rob
>
I totally agree.  I think Dirty is the album that comes the closest to
capturing the in-yr-face smack that the band has live (at least the times
when they have a good sound mix, which is problematic for a band that
relies
as much on textures and nuances as they do).  And Steve sounds really
good, unlike say Sister where he sounds like he's hitting a cardboard
box on the intro to Schizophrenia.



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Subject: Re: butchering
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:06:28 -0400
Status: RO

Rob Vaughn writes:
>
>>oh yea I saw them in NYC this summer w/ Sun Ra and I thought
>>that they rocked.  Though I would have liked to heard more
>>old stuff, but doesn't everyone?
>
>That was a great show, indeed.  Sun Ra was pretty amazing as well.

So how many people on the list were at that show?  I was.  I got there
only a few minutes before the show started, so I was stuck standing maybe
ten feet in front of the bleachers.  There was this guy who kept opening
and closing his umbrella, even though it wasn't raining.  Grr.

Don't forget, tonight's the night that SY, L7 and Cell are supposedly
on ABC in Concert!

brian

--
Brian Eck   [e-mail]
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>

>last night and who should sit next to us, none other than Kim Gordon.
So. Did you talk to her? Touch her? Look at her? We wntwant to know!!

-Peter



From [e-mail] Sat Apr 24 22:32:50 1993
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Subject: Re: Bad Moon Rising
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 16:27:04 -0400
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my 2 cents about my favorite /least favorite albums:
most favorite: daydream nation
least fave: Goo
it seems kindof funny that sy would follow up my favorite album w/ my
least
favorite sy album.  even aftet listening to ddn hunderds of times, i still
will
occaisionally pick out some new bit that i never really noticed before.
every-
thing sounds (to me) incredibly textured and complex.  Goo just didn't do
that
for me, nothing really stands out on that album.

ddn was my first sy album.  on first listen i wasn't all that impressed w/
it,
and listened to the ramones tape i picked up on the same day instead.  a
month
or so later i was tired of the ramones and went back to listen to DDN.
needless
to say, it grew on me (and i haven't listened to that _brain drain_ tape
hardly
at all since)  once i was hooked on sy, i went and got Bad moon rising
(see,
this note does relate to the header:), which i did like right off the
bat.
the _sonic youth_ was next, and that sorta disapointed me.  then goo, sonic
death (which both were dissapointing), _sister_ renewed my faith, dirty is
a
decent album in my opinion, although it does have some weak bits (kim can
screech, but that doesn't mean they have to record her screeching, when she
*sings* or chants she's fine).  Next was _confusion is sex_, which i
liked, and
got me to and relisten to _sonic youth_ which i discovered i also liked now
(i guess my ears have been throughally corrupted).  i still don't have
evol,
so i'm can't comment on that one.

don't suspose there's any plans for a douple length concert album anytime
soon
(w/ better sound quality than sonic death)?
well, i can dream can't i?

scott
just another fanboy


ps-a question, has any new sonic death newsletters come out since last
summer?
i got my "starter kit", but haven't seen anything since.


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Subject: Re: bad moon rising
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 16:27:42 -0400
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echo canyon is bit of noise that ends off the album (on the cd inport i
have
anyway, the tape i had didn't have it, nor flower, satan, and holloween -
which
weren't listed either).  echo consists of a rocket like sound, and
explosion,
breaking glass some other stuff and finally the sound of a record arm
screeching
over the end of a record.  yes it can mess with yr head if yr not
expecting it,
no it's not really worth running out and buying a new copy to hear (unless
you
want to upgrade to cd anyway).  probably a minute long at most.

scott


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Subject:      Sonic Youth
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 21:10:50 -0400
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ok so terrible subject but hey...

Anyway this is gonna be a long-will-get-to-the-point-at-the-end type of
message.

It just so happened that the day Sonic Life was advertise don grunge-l, I
just
happened to be watching mTv where 100% was on.  So I said what the fuck and
signed up here and went to my local Tower and picked up _dirty_.  I
listened
a few times (lately I've been listening to YAF everyday and still have not
come
up with something meaningful to say baout the song except the lyrics are
stupid
but the music is ok) and thought it was pretty cool.  So I've been reading
here
for about a month and thought maybe it was time to pick up something new.
So
again I hop over to to Tower where all they have is _Goo_ and _Sonic
Youth_ on
SST.  Well I've notied that you peoples are against SST ao I picked up
_Goo_.
I'm amused by the booklet but the music is not nearly as good as _dirty_.

So basically I want to know what SY things I should be looking for that
will be
more like _dirty_ and less like _Goo_?  I heard DGC is gonna re-release
all the
old (and better) albums.  What do I want to pick up?

          aaron


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Subject: RE: Sonic Youth
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 21:50:50 -0400
Status: RO



aaron asked:
>So basically I want to know what SY things I should be looking for that
will
be
more like _dirty_ and less like _Goo_?  I heard DGC is gonna re-release
all the
old (and better) albums.  What do I want to pick up?
---------
Hmmmmm...my favorite is _Sister_; I think it's their most consistent
record
plus it's got White Kross and Stereo Sanctity on it, and SY doesn't get
much
better.

A lot of people maintain that _Daydream Nation_ is their best, and it IS a
compelling album, but it's too damn long.  Still, the highlights -- Hey
Joni,
Eric's Trip, Silver Rocket, Hyperstation -- are essential.

_EVOL_ is a little more experimental, I guess, but it's still well worth
your
hard-earned $15 or so.  I'd place this one second after _Sister_.

_Bad Moon Rising_ is great but difficult.  Most of the songs are slow and
droning, but this one packs a real wallop once you get used to it.

_COnfusion is Sex_ has its moments, but it's spotty at best.  I don't
think
many people here are going to argue it's their strongest album.  Let this
one
wait until you're sure you must own ALL of their material (yes, that day
will
come!).

_Sonic Youth_ is also pretty spotty, but it does have one of their best
tracks
(I Dream I Dreamed (or is it "I Dreamed I Dream"?)) and it's interesting
to
hear their original vision in light of where they've gone since.  But
again,
this one's better suited to converts than dilettantes; it ain't the best
place
to start.

I haven't heard the _Kill Yr. Idols_ e.p., so can't comment except I know
it
duplicates a bunch of tracks from _Confusion_.  The Ciccone Youth album
(SY
meets Mike Watt on their summer vacation) is cute, but inconsequential.

Go with _Sister_ next, IMHO.

Just my $.02, of course...

Later,
Eston
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Subject: Re: Repost? Sister vs. Evol
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22:54:19 -0400
Status: RO

Yeah!  No shit.  Sister on CD sounds like whoever made the fatal transfer
from analog to digital used a vacuum on the bottom half of the
recording--no bass!  The vinyl edition is like a warm bath, and you don't
have to turn the stereo up full blast in order to hear Kim and Steve.
Also, my CD copy of Sister as well as those belonging to two friends of
mine conked out:  All three disks eventually had to have an elaborate
system of thin stickers pasted all over them because they rattled around
so much when being played.
                S(onic)eth Y(outh)oung
                                Nihil ex nihilo, baby.

On Thu, 22 Apr 1993, Eston Martz wrote:

>
> Uh, Mason Jar wrote:
> >does anyone know that Sister was recorded entirely on tube
> equipment?  yea, that's why it has that luscious warm sound.
> of course, I have it on cd wich may defeat the purpose a bit :)
> --------
>
> Actually, I think ALL their stuff has been recorded on tube (or at least
> analog) equipment.
>
> But you've brought up an interesting point, which I was thinking about
raising
> myself.  I bought Sister on vinyl when it came out, then later bought a
copy on
> CD.
>
> For my money, the vinyl sounds about 10 times brighter than the disc,
which
> seems to have lost a lot of the low end.  One thing I love about Sister
(on
> vinyl, anyway) is how FULL it sounds--yeah, it's a big blur, but it's a
damned
> COMFORTABLE one.  The CD seems to lose that quality, at least on my
system
> (which admittedly isn't state-o-the-art anymore).
>
> Anybody else have this (or other SY) in both formats?  If so, how would
you
> rate the sound quality for each format?
>
> I've got a European pressing of BMR on CD which sounds very good (it's
on Blast
> First, if it makes any diff--don't know how many pressings of this have
been
> made), no discernable loss of quality.
>
> I also have Evol in both formats, and again, it sounds pretty good.
Sister's
> the one where I really notice the difference in sound.
>
> Yer thoughts?
>
> Later,
> Eston
> [e-mail]
>
>
>




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Subject: Evol on tape vs. CD
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 00:03:42 -0400
Status: RO

All i gotta say bout the analog vs. digital stuff is this:

I have Evol on tape, and the quality is horrible.  Tinny, hissing etc.  My
friends got it on disc, and it sounds light years better.  To put is
nicely.
Never heard it on vinyl, but I'd love too.  I personally love vinyl, but
to get
a really good sound out of it you need a real expensive player, while with
CD's
you can buy a cheap Discman for like $100, vs $800+ for a really good
record
player.

Quality wise, cheap cd player vs. cheap record player, the cd will win.

BTW- any1 going to see fIREHOSE tommorow at Cornell?  If not: phpbbt!
If so: write me and gimme yer adress if you live at/near Cornell...  me
and a
bunch of friends are coming down fro Buffalo, and we'll hang.

Later-

Shane


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I gotta disagree with you, CIS is one of my favorite LP's...
I think it's a lot better then Evol and slmost right up there
with Sister and Dirty.....

So in cncluseion if you like Diry get Confusion is Sex quick...

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In my opinion:

Confusion Is Sex is the punk ravings of a young avant garde
noise band

Evol is ART man.

:)

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Subject: SY in Europe
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Sonic Youth will be playing in Belgium this July, at the Torhout/Werchter
festival (at Torhout on July 3rd and Werchter on July 4th). Also on the
bill
are Levellers, Sugar, The Tragically Hip, The Black Crowes, Faith No More,
Neil Young, Lenny Kravitz and Metallica.

I've no idea if this is a one off or if they willbe playing elsewhere
around
the same time.

Chris


From [e-mail] Mon Apr 26 16:54:49 1993
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Subject: Re: Repost? Sister vs. Evol
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 10:50:56 -0400
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On Apr 24, 10:54pm, [e-mail] (Alexander Seth Young) wrote:
>Yeah!  No shit.  Sister on CD sounds like whoever made the fatal transfer
>from analog to digital used a vacuum on the bottom half of the
>recording--no bass!  The vinyl edition is like a warm bath, and you don't
>have to turn the stereo up full blast in order to hear Kim and Steve.

This raises the question; are the DGC reissues going to be re-mastered
or merely reissued?  In other words, by all accounts, the CD mix of
_Sister_ really blows.  Does anyone know if Geffen plans to re-cut the
digital master or merely re-print the earlier version?  I would hope that
DGC would be above putting out low-fidelity garbage.

>Also, my CD copy of Sister as well as those belonging to two friends of
>mine conked out:  All three disks eventually had to have an elaborate
>system of thin stickers pasted all over them because they rattled around
>so much when being played.

Now *this* is really disturbing.  Are these all SST discs?  This
sounds like a manufacturing rather than a mixing problem.  Do other
SST CD's do this sort of thing?  If so, that's one more addition to
the long list of why not to buy from SST.

Later,

The Walrus.



From [e-mail] Mon Apr 26 17:30:13 1993
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Subject: Re: problems w/sister cd
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 11:25:48 -0400
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    re: reported problems w/sister cd
    i picked up my copy of sister used and really have to keep it
polished to prevent skipping on track 1 -- there are no visible scratches,
etc., but this is probably the most fragile cd in my collection. i've
always wondered whether the previous owner did something to the cd or if
there was a bad batch floating around out there. sounds like there may
have
been a mistake at the pressing plant...
    --mg


From [e-mail] Mon Apr 26 21:11:12 1993
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Funny, I consider myself somewhat
of an audiophile,
and I *love* my cd of -Sister_

oh well

--
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of a brand new tangled web you're spinning
any one could be your brand new love -Sebadoh       Mason Jar
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From [e-mail] Mon Apr 26 22:48:23 1993
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    Another bad review of the Sister CD (not the album):

    Sister was the first LP by SY I ever heard, and I thought it was
absolutely brilliant.  So when I saw a CD copy in the local independ-
ently run alternative-type record store, I grabbed it, because that
was back in the days when I was in that super-naive "DIGITAL=BETTER"
mindset.  Strangely enough I suddenly didn't like the album as much,
though it's still very cool, and for the reasons people have gone
into here.  At least the CD hasn't conked out on me.

    By the way, the also-SST-released CD version of the Minutemen's
Double Nickles on The Dime also really blows.  It's almost like SST
is engaged in some kind of sabotage against their bands or something.

    I'm not one of those death to the CD Luddites, either.  I quite
like the CD of Daydream Nation, and Dirty has a good sound to it
as well...


                              Steve


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Well, here it is. Finally. My first post to this newsletter.
i have soooo many things to say, where do i start??
well, i haven't finished all of the archives, but i've been reading the
lyrics to Daydream Nation, and i have an addition: at the begining of
"Eric's Trip" the whispering voice says "achoo.....Braaaaanca-fest"
i've sent my tabs to ftp.maths.tcd.ie and nevada.edu for a few songs.
Candle, however i need to change because i made a mistake. so whenever
they decide to archive them, you can get them there.
My CD of Bad Moon Rising doesn't have the scratching and pop that is
supposidly Echo Canyon.
has anyone else noticed on the Dirty Boots E.P. that right before "The
Bedroom" Thurston says "(this') it's for Lucifuge" devil worshipers??? i
doubt this, but it is really weird that they would say that.
has anyone seen "Simple Men"? there is a really weird scene where they all
dance to Kool Thing.
hmmmm
i cant think of anything else to say, except that Rain King is THE BEST
track   they have ever recorded. okay, maybe it's tied with Beauty Lies in
the Eye, but it beats the shit out of the rest of them.

your loving hampster farm,
-Sam
you're supposed to stop reading now.
your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.



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sam says:
"has anyone else noticed on the Dirty Boots E.P. that right before "The
Bedroom"
Thurston says "(this') it's for Lucifuge" devil worshipers??? i doubt
this, but
it is really weird that they would say that."

i thought he was dedicating the song to a lucey something-or-other.
perhaps,
the skinhead mother he refers to in the intro?  who knows.  of course,
this is
just some groundless speculation, but enjoy all the same.

scott


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a few things:
i know somebody who knows somebody (X4) who threw a brick at Dave Kendall.

i want this Bukowski bib.

in Trilogy *I* think the line is
"sky in his eyes, dark stains on his pants"

does anyone have bootleg vids of these guys so i can see some fingerings?
i'll do ANYTHING!

your loving hampster farm,
-Sam
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your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.



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Sam wrote:

> has anyone seen "Simple Men"? there is a really weird scene
> where they all dance to Kool Thing.

Yep, I have. And I liked the Yo La Tengo songs in this very much too.

Any other movies that SY are mentioned in?

--
Johannes Waldmann, Fakult\"at f\"ur Mathematik und Informatik
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email  [e-mail]  for this question's
   answer:  "Venn ist das nurnstuck git und Slotermeyer?"



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  I don't know about any movies, but I know a Dutch short story
  which has a motto by Sonic Youth (Eric's Trip):

   We turn out the world / we put up four walls / I breathe
   in the myth / I'm over the city / fucking the future /
   I'm high inside your kiss.

  The story is about some people who take an LSD-trip, and
  enjoy it. Admittedly, I wrote the story myself, so I guess
  that spoils it for you guys. *:o) However, I sent it to a
  national students' contest & couldn't help but win. A
  magazine asked me to give it to them for publication, which I
  did, so I helped to spread the SY-word around. Ain't that a
  noble thing to do? Anything for the Youths.
  Cheers,
  frank




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Subject:   Bye/Sonic LPS
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 10:05:22 -0400
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OK, Sonic Lifers. I gotta sign off soon cause I'm moving. Hopefully I'll
get
access soon to da net and be back here with y'all. Anyway, before I go I
thought I would add my opinion to the ongoing Sonic Album debate.

The first SY album I ever heard was Bad Moon Rising, also their current
album
at the time. So I started out with their more "arty" experimental work and
have seen them move towards a more rock/pop sound. I LOVE BMR! And my
favorite SY albums are the *trilogy* starting with BMR, EVOL, and Sister. I
think each album is a masterpiece in it's own right. BMR is beautiful and
challanging at the same time. I Love her all the Time and Death Vally 69
are
the hight points I think. EVOL is wonderous in a different way, I dunno. I
do
think that Expressway To yr Skull is th best song they've ever done, hands
down. Sister just rocks the fuck out! With some really nice stuff like
Kotton Krown thrown in as well. I'm not real good at reviews as you can
see so
I can't babble about "the beautiful harmonic guitar textures" or whatever
so
I'll leave it at that.

Daydream Nation is admittedly a great album, but unlike a lot of people, I
don't like it as much as the aforementioned *trilogy* I've always thought
Goo
was pretty good too and it's stood up to the test of time well.

OK, heres the thing that gets me. Dirty is the first SY album ever that has
really faded for me as time goes on. When it first came out in July I
listened toit all the time and thought it was great. As time passed less
and
less of the songs thrilled me. Now I only realy like three or four a lot.
There
 are a few OK, throwawy type tracks, and then there are a bunch that really
annoy me! No other Sonic Youth album has ever had this affect. I still
absolutly love the band and will buy anything new they put out,see them
live
whenever they come, but I guess I'm just one of those annoying "the old
stuff
is better" type people. Not that a band shouldn't change and grow etc. They
definitly should. It just hasn't connected with me as much with the more
recent
 stuff. Oh well, I still have faith! Can't wait to see what they do next!

See y'all later! Sonic Peace baby!

Jon


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                I T K    C O L L O Q U I U M
                            and
   M O D E L S  O F  G R A M M A R  S T A F F  S E M I N A R

                Gosse Bouma,
           (Rijksuniversiteit Groningen)


       DEFAULT UNIFICATION AND CATEGORIAL MORPHOLOGY

This talk will address the question of how to combine defaults and
unification. Default unification, which is implemented as a
straightforward modification of feature unification, is nonmonotonic,
but nevertheless leaves most of the declarative aspects of unification
grammar unaffected.  The proposed definition of default unification is
compared with alternative definitions, such as those of Calder and
Carpenter.

Defaults appear to be particularly relevant at the level of lexical
and morphological description. To illustrate this, a categorial
unification-based morphology using defaults will be discussed.


Gosse Bouma teaches computational linguistics at the vakgroep
Alfa-Informatica in Groningen and specializes in unification grammar
and natural language processing. Recently, on March 18, he got his PhD
degree on a thesis entitled `Nonmonotonicity and categorial
unification grammar'.



Date:    Thursday, May 6, 1993
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:25:49 -0400
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congrats on winning a national contest, but did you mention where you got
that
passage from in you essay/story?  personally, i don't care, but there ARE
copyright laws, and you CAN get sued...

Later-

Shane  (ps the same can be said about my .sig file though!  8^P

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Knapp
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From: JONATHAN KANDELL <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Bye/Sonic LPS
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:14:22 -0400
Status: RO

Jon Copeland.  I agree with everything you said.  Especially about the
longevity of Dirty.  For me it has to do with the "middle portions".  Sonic
Youth used to have absolutely amazing free range solo sections that were
works of art in their own right, and usually contrasted with the first
section
and refrain.  I think the tunes on Dirty are as good (or better) than
anything
they've done.  But these new songs contain either no middle portion, or
a lame one.  it's almost like they've gotten lazy on this part.  The solos
seem a lot more tradition, less subtle, more pure noise, less interesting
chords.  Hence the songs don't last as long.
And this is for the *good* tunes.  Put this fact together with the fact
there
are some songs on Dirty that really suck and you end with the reaction you
have.jonathan kandell, tucson


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Subject: Re: TAB: STARPOWER SONIC YOUTH
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:30:34 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>
>STARPOWER by Sonic Youth
>
>tuning low to high
>F#F#GGAA
>
>these are just the chords, no strumming shown
>  guitar 1      guitar 2
>   (Lee)       (Thurston)
>A-------------|----------|
>A-------------|----------|
>G---3-1-7-9-6-|----------|
>G---3-1-7-9-6-|----------|
>F#--0-0-0-0-0-|--4-2-0-7-|
>F#--0-0-0-0-0-|--4-2-0-7-|
>
>the Bridge
>  guitar 2  repeat                                guitar 1
>A-----------------------------------------------|-(11-11-11-12)-|
>A-----------------------------------------------|-(11-11-11-12)-|
>G-----------------------------------------------|--11-11-11-12--|
>G-----------------------------------------------|--11-11-11-12--|
>F#--12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10-8-8-8-8-12-12-12-12-|---------------|
>F#--12-12-12-12-10-10-10-10-8-8-8-8-12-12-12-12-|---------------|
>
>let the top notes on guitar 1 "bleed" into the strum.
>then they hit a big 000000 for the noise-fest.
>that is pretty much it!
>i love you, too.
>Sam Rowe
>
>
>--
>your loving hampster farm,
>-Sam
>you're supposed to stop reading now.
>your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.


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your loving hampster farm,
-Sam
you're supposed to stop reading now.
your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:44:36 -0400
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>ABC in Concert (Friday nights, 1:30 EST, check local listings)
>4/23  Sonic Youth, L7, Cell

Did anyone catch this?  If so, how was it?  If it was at all
interesting, I might be interested in dubbing a copy from someone.

The Walrus.




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Subject: More Bad Moon
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:04:28 -0400
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 More Bad Moon
Sorry to jump into this late. Just got back from some time off from work...

"Bad Moon Rising" is in a lot of ways my favorite SY album. It ties with
"EVOL"; one is their best experimental/industrial work, the other the best
rock.

It DID take me months to fully get into it. I would keep listening, and
every
time more of it made sense. At first I liked "Brave Men Run" and "DV69"
and the
rest was unlistenable garbage. Then after a while I liked "I'm Insane" and
"I
Love Her All the Time" too. Now I like all but "Satan Is Boring", which
really
is unlistenable garbage. :-)

It's a subtle album, almost ambient at times. The songs are very
repetitive on
the surface, but complex things are going on underneath. The structures are
also interesting; totally unlike conventional songs. For instance, "I Love
Her"
goes into a fade-out that cues you that it's about to end, then keeps
going on
and fading out for several more minutes.

The grunge bit between "Society" and "Love Her" is the Stooges again; a
cover
of "Not Right" from their first album.

Oh, the "oblique lyrics" to "I'm Insane" are apparently almost all from the
blurbs to trashy '50s exploitation novels (as shown in the CD booklet). I
have
no real confirmation of this but they certainly read that way.

"Echo Canyon" is just the crash and explosion noise and record-scratching
at
the end, with a long fade-out. Not really a song at all.

>Kim's base in Death valley slowly
>works up the chromatic scale.

..and in the fade-out of "Expressway To Yr Skull" it goes back down. I've
never been sure whether she's actually cranking down the tuning peg while
playing, or just moving down the fretboard with a single very low tuning.

--Jens Alfke                        Please do not feed peanuts to my deity.
  jens_alfke@quickmail
            .apple.com




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Subject: sy on letterman, again
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:09:46 -0400
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hey all!

        just got this from radio-concerts list:

        sy will be on letterman, mon. may 3. note - this is a rebroadcast

        oh yeah, did anyone catch sy on that abc in concert show on friday?
i turned it on and saw prince dancing around! what giv

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hey, anyone ever heard Camper Van Beethoven's hillarious cover
of "I love her all the time" ????
it's great, it's on their II/III album....
i think


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minor details:

Jens said:
The grunge bit between "Society" and "Love Her" is the Stooges again; a
cover
of "Not Right" from their first album.

actually, it's not a cover, but the song itself.  from _guitar player_,
august
1991, p28: Lee says: "on _Bad Moon Rising_ we went so far as to tape a
song off
a stooges record and put it on our record".
the topic is how sy recycles other genres, and makes them their own, "by
virtue
of calling it your own".

later, the walrus said:
Did anyone catch this?  If so, how was it?
and mICHAEL said:
       oh yeah, did anyone catch sy on that abc in concert show on friday?

i turned it on and saw prince dancing around! what giv

as soon as i heard that sy was going to be on, i checked my local (detroit)
listings and found that the prince thing was going to be on, not sy.  i
would
of spoke up, but i figured detroit was out of the loop somehow, and sy was
going to be on other carriers.  did anyone see it?  from the lack of
commentary
on thier appearance, i'm guessing they weren'
t on very many stations, if at all.
i'd check for this friday, but my newspaper suscription has come to an
end...

later,
scott


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Subject: Dirty lyrics again
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 03:18:02 -0400
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Hi y'all!
Here's a sort of update for the dirty lyrics, still not really perfect..
O yeah BTW can anybody else say wether it's 'light' or 'like'
TSW sentences start with ? mr. Weld said it was light, but I definitely do
not
hear that .. anyway got to go now, see ya.

Hans van Dok

Dirty - Sonic Youth
===== = ===== =====

thanks to the following people for contributions :
Johannes Waldmann
Henry Weld
and some others I will add when I've found their names...

100%
----

I can never forget you
the way you rock the girls
they move a world and love you
for[?] blasting the underworld

i stick a knive in my head
but thinking 'bout your eyes
but now that you been shot dead
i got a new surprise

but i been waitin' for you just to say
he's of to check his mind
but all i know is you got no money
but that's got nothing to do with the good time

can you forgive the boy who
shot you in the head
or should you get a gun and
go and get revenge?

a 100% of my love
were up to you true star
it's hard to believe you took of
i always thought you'd go far

but i been around the world a million times
and all you men are slime
it gone to my head
goodbye i am dead
waste wood rockers just time for cry [???]
hey

Swimsuit Issue
-------- -----

I'm just here for dictation
i don't wanna be a sensation
bein' on Sixty Minutes
wasn't/was it[?] worth your fifteen minutes

don't touch my breast
i'm just working at my desk
don't put me to test
i'm just doing my best

shopping at Max Fields
power for you to wield
dreams of going to the Grammies
'till you poked with your whammy

he's been dissed
now you're moving your wrist
i am just from Encino
why are you so mean oh

i'm just here for dictation
and not your summer vacation
you really like the shmooz
but now you're on the moves

i'm from Sherman Oaks
just a wheel with spokes
but i ain't giving you ahead
in the sunset bungalow

Roshanda
Judith
Paulina
Cathy
Vendella
Naomi
Ashley
Angie
Stacey
Kim
i'm swimming
i'm swimming
i'm swimming...

Theresa's Sound-world
--------- -----------

Like girl go walking through the corn, free
like new vibration through the sea
i know i'd love her to breathe again
like cubes are talking her down
i've been a wasted day
like spinning round a saint
like coloured wild sign
Theresa talking in the rain

like girl be growing through town
windows of thoughts and disdain [?]
i know i'd love her to stay
whispering signs are agreeing
like talking golden to rain
lights vibe in dark in the saint
a cat in gold goes alone
Theresa's sound for the king

Drunken Butterfly
------- ---------

Smile like a sun
back over time
crazy on you
pleasure is mine
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?

here come through it
give it up
going too far
try understand
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?

whisper kiss me here
i'll tell you what i fear
whisper kisses up here
i'll tell you what i fear

come on home
just be fair
name of rock'n'roll
where love dies
could find a soul
tell it like it is
deep down inside
drunk butterfly
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?
i love you i love you i love you
what's your name?

Shoot
-----

Can i have some money?
i'm gonna go to the store
can i have some money?
i can't tell you what it's for
can i have some money?
you know it's you that i adore
can i have some money?
don't ask me what it's for

since we've been together you've been good to me
you only hit me when you wanna be pleased

can i have the carkeys?
i'm gonna go for a ride
can i have the car please?
i'm going out for a while
can i have the car now?
i wanna drive all around
can i have the car dear?
i'm going to leave this town

i won't be asking your permission to leave
i won't be asking not to have this baby please
and i won't be asking don't point some bust[?] at me
and i won't be asking i had to see you bleed

ssssssh
visualize
that's right
forever we
one two three

shoot
shoot you
shoot you
shoot you

can i have my lipstick?
that was such a surprise
can i have my lipstick?
i'm going out for a ride
i'm not a little girl
and you sure are not my dad
you don't even know what you almost had

Wish Fulfillment
---- -----------

I see your wishes on the wall
and that's all right with me
i see you run to make a call
putting up to someone free

your life and my life they don't touch at all
and that's no way to be
we've never seemed so far

what's real? what is true?
i ain't turning my back on you
where're you goin'? where've you been?
making wishes, watching dreams

it might be simple it might be true
i might be overwhelmed by you
you might be empty
the way your eyes just look right through

its such a mess now anyway
wish fulfillment every day
i don't believe you
now i can't hear a word you say

i see you shaking in the light
leaving the headline news
the others they're not quite so right
we want them to choose you
i could almost see your face tonight
singing simple rhythm'n'blues
you'll always be a star

shake it baby
come on scream
just seen your face in a magazine
don't doubt it
please be sure[?]
i can't stand it anymore
it's my favorite shot of you
you look so pretty your eyes were true
i'm still on your side
in spite of every thing you do

we're only blood on blood on life
you paint me pictures every night
come wish beside me
don't you know you know what's right

Sugar Kane
----- ----

You're perfect in the way
a perfect end today
you're burning out their lies
and burning in their eyes
i love you Sugar Kane
a-come in from the rain
oh kiss me like a frog
and turn me into a flame
i love you all the time
i need you here tonight
and i can stay all night
with daddy shining

and i know
there something down there sugar soul [?]
back to the cross a twisted lane
there something down there Sugar Kane

i'm back again in love
i'm back again a dove
where'd you get your lie
this mind is sugar life
another loversday
another crack of night
and every night i say
light is coming

and i know
there something down there sugar come
back to the cross a twisted lane
there's something down there Sugar Kane

angel come and play
you fly me away
a stroll along the beach
untill you're out of time
i love you Sugar Kane
a crack into the dream
i love you Sugar Kane
i love you Sugar Kane
i love you Sugar Kane
i love you Sugar Kane
i love you Sugar Kane
i love you Sugar

Orange Rolls, Angel's Spit
------ ------ ------- ----

she got you got you good
didn't have a chance
that lady put you in
where had messed again [?]

oh baby don't you know
you're livin' on the death
you better stay away
if you wanna live

lalalalalalalalaaaah
lalalalalalalalaaaah

every time you turn around she is making up with you and down below

oooh sugar pie
mmm come on
chocolat spot

she gotta gotta go
don't you even know
she looks into your eyes
angels [???]

she takes the long stride
leave your mind again
don't worry you are fine
living with a mess [?]

lalalalllalallalalalala
lalalalalalalalalalalala

every time you turn around she is looking up at you and down below

sugar crick
candy tic
orange rolls
angel's spit

what you got has got you good
don't you even try
come on if you could
you would surely die

you don't don't you know
you don't even know
come on sugar tic
you all got to go

llalalalallalalallalaa
lalalalalalalalalaah

every time you turn around she is looking up at you and down below.....

come and die
chocolate spot
sugar
don't you know
deep in my heart
saying bye

Youth Against Fascism
----- ------- -------

Another can of worms
another stomach turns
yeah your ghetto burns
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

you got a stupid man
you got a ku klux klan
your fucking battleplan
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

a sieg heil-in' squirt
you're an impotent jerk
yeah a fascist twerp
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

black robe and swill
i believe Anita Hill
judge will rot in hell
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

yeah a cross on fire
by a christian liar
a black attack at fire
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

yeah the president sucks
he's a war pig fuck
his shit is out of luck
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

another nazi attack
skinhead is cracked
my blood is black
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

we're banging pots and pans
to make you understand
we gotta bury you man
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

i'm a human wreck
redneck in check
i killed the teacher's pet
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate
it's the song i hate

Nic Fit
--- ---

Turn it up
turn it in
sonic youth
sonic truth
nic fit
nic fit
nic fit
nic fit

sonic youth
sonic smoke
sonic truth
sonic smoke

nic fit
nic fit
nic fit
nic

nic fit
nic fit
nic fit
nic fit

sonic youth
sonic death
sonic smoke
sonic youth

nic fit
nic fit
nic fit
nic

On The Strip
-- --- -----

Every time you look my way
show a light in what you say
every time you look my way
you talk around going purple haze

close your eyes and pretend
you're not at all a black friend [?]

smile this [girl?]            on the strip
you really learn just how to be hip
tell your stories 'bout your crazy trip
messing with the stars and doing tricks

close your eyes and pretend
it started all back then

big glass house on the hill
doing dope but did you swear
yesterday was buried last year
well i don't care [?] i thought was clear

close your eyes and pretend
this is how it should end

cinderella of the mind
doesn't know her left from right
she so hungry for a bite
forget your friends for midnight

don't you know who's keeping score
who's that barking at your door ?

hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear

that was then
this is now

hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear living
hold tight with fear

that was then
this is now

every time you look my way
remember a girl who used to say
hold me tight every way
it's okay it's only play

i will learn you in my dawn
where i came from for i run

Chapel Hill
------ ----

We're back in the days when the battles raged
and we thought it was nothing
the pistol man[?] is the CIA
and we know

throw me a cord and plug it in
to get the cradle rocking
and out with the redneck [???]men [?]
and let's go

a hair in the hole in my head
too bad the scene is dead
memories in the shadow
back in time again

but i can't forget your terrorized face
when you cried for the shameless
wasted life ameriK-K-Kan
and you smiled
so why should we run when we cannot hide
and my flag it's burning
we could be wrong but that's allright
we'll rise again
a hair in the hole in my head
too bad the scene is dead
our memories in the shadow
it's back in town again

look in a way it's another day
and of course we love you
radical man is the CIA
and we say no
we'll round up the Durham H.C. kids
and the Char Grill Killers
Jesse H. coming to our pit
all ages show

a hair in the hole in my head
too bad the scene is dead
our memory's in the shadow
it's back in time again

JC
--

How much costs a pair of holes?
spaces pressed together rose
arms around each others back
you know that i liked you Jack
and all the other boys who pose
a silent dance in the woods
in the summer by the show
another can of coca cola
don't you ever call me Mom
freckled dancing in the plant
but there's something i wanna tell
as far as you can see it's done
you're nothing but a history
a second here and then you're gone
quicksand quicksand all around
turn the corner just beyond
the shadows move and change the groove[?]
and something tells me not to brood
turning round that's a show
you're walking through my heart once more
don't forget to close the door
i'm not certain what you found
all the memory    ch[?]n for [???]
not the crown fall
sunny skies and angels bleed
falling down upon my knees
that wasn't how it's supposed to be
clear blue eyes, just as tries
the wind is busy blowing dizzy
you're drinking[?] shot like a star [note - I do not hear 'dream' here]
exploding in a mind somewhere
doing something on a dare
pulling a trigger like breathing air
a sunkissed boy that gave no thought
to what he made while others say

oceans break and spread [???]
it's dripping in my hand, you're dead
little brother reminding me
your moments take forever tree
you can say it's quite a sin
don't you know the shape i'm in
you're walking through my heart once more
don't forget to close the door

Purr
----

Whoaoahooh!
i love you baby 'cause you're back in time
i love you today
your eyes are flashing back a magic sign
the sun comes out to play

i learned it all from you girl
i got it all from you
how to howl 't the moon yeah
how to scratch your door
i do it every day
come back again tomorrow
you chase it all away

you dream beauty sleeping day and night
the sun around you
i love you baby yeah you're superfine
climbing down to
a purr [???] likes a day
the switching sunlight
a chasing kitten gets you every time
funny how it flies

i learned it all from you girl
i got it all from you
how to howl 't the moon yeah
how to scratch your door
i do it every day
come back again tomorrow
you chase my life away

i hear you burning at supersoul
i pop in to look
a personal letter yeah a [???] gold
let her tear away
i learned it all from you girl
i got it all from you
how to howl 't the moon yeah
how to scratch your door
i do it every day
come back again tomorrow
you chase the life away

Creme Brulee
----- ------

Aaoooow!
whoo!
hah
huh

riding down the road and being struck with blind
you and me are burning in the summertime
let's go find some shady ground
gotta get rid of that king halfround
you and me are burning in the summertime
you and me are burning in the summertime

scrape-scrape-scrapin' melted cheese
say 'i love you' later[?] please
you and me are burning in the summertime
you and me are burning in the summertime

dark spots floating in front of in my eyes
mum said she turned it on the squattin'[squatted ?] flies
you and me are burning in the summertime
you and me are burning in the summertime

last night i dreamed i kissed Neil Young
if i was a boy i guess it would be fun
you and me are burning in the summertime
you and me are burning in the summertime

don't you know the saying where the horses grow
green malts hanging[?] chilling crows
you and me are burning in the summertime
you and me are burning in the summertime

i said it before
and i'll say it again
i'm so happy
we're just friends.........


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Mason Jar wrote:

> hey, anyone ever heard Camper Van Beethoven's hillarious cover
> of "I love her all the time" ????
> it's great, it's on their II/III album....
> i think

sure, they made a fine country song out of it.

BTW, where could I get CvB discog info, I only have their
Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweet Heart (very good),
and Key Lime Pie (good, but sometimes too much fat
rock pathos in there). The ILHATTime version is on a compilation
Flower Fed Buffaloes too, with other bands like Yo la Tengo,
Feelies, Opal... (if memory serves me right at the moment).

And more on bands that have quite nothing to do with the theme of
this list: anyone out there ever heard Freiwillige Selbstkontrolle
(F.S.K.) from Munich/Bavaria/Germany? David Lowery (CvB) produced
their recent album Son of Kraut so you may guess what it sounds like.
And John Peel likes them, too.

And even more: there's a band Donner Party from the US, I have
their brilliant country/punky debut album from years ago.
They seem to have worked with D Lowery in the meantime.
Anyone ever heard of them / knows their (label's) address?

Flame now! (I would certainly enjoy a name dropping war on this list
but you might consider replying to me alone.)

--
Johannes Waldmann, Fakult\"at f\"ur Mathematik und Informatik
UHH, 15. OG, Jena,  O-6900, Germany,   phone [phone]

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   answer:  "Venn ist das nurnstuck git und Slotermeyer?"



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I think that CvB's first album is "Radio Free Landslide Victory"
soon to be re-released on IRS.
It has classic songs like "Take the Skin-heads bowling" and
"Where the hell is Bill?" plus a lot of great ska.
I think their 2nd is a mentioned "II/III"
all their old stuff is getting re-released....

--
any thought could be the beginning
of a brand new tangled web you're spinning
any one could be your brand new love -Sebadoh       Mason Jar
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Beste collega's,

  Mogen we jullie even herinneren aan het feit dat
er morgen (donderdag 29 april) in het kader van het

    SEMINAR INTERPRETATIE EN KENNISREPRESENTATIE
                       en het
                  ITK-COLLOQUIUM


             EEN NIET MONOTONE MIDDAG

plaats zal vinden in PZ 207.



Het programma ziet er als volgt uit:

13.00 - 13.50    A Model of Induction
                 Peter Flach

14.00 - 14.50    Partiality and Honesty
                 Wiebe van der Hoek, Jan Jaspars &
                    Elias Thijsse

15.00 - 15.50    Non-Monotonic Reasoning and
                    Defeasible Argument
                 Gerard Vreeswijk

16.00 - 16.50    The Conditional Logic of
                    Generalizations
                 Michael Morreau


Alle belangstellenden zijn van harte welkom.


-- Emiel Krahmer en Elias Thijsse

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actually, CvB's first (i think first anyhow) record is "TELEPHONE free
landslide victory."
--mg


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In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>Tom Violence by Sonic Youth
>
>tuning low to high
>F#F#GGAA
>
>these are the chords, i'm not going to show the strumming
>  guitar 1        guitar 2 everything in [] is played durring one chord
> (thurston)        (Lee)   in relation to guitar 1.
>A---4-0-2-0--16-|-----------------------------------------|
>A---4-0-2-0--16-|-----------------------------------------|
>G---6-6-4-11-18-|-----------------------------------------|
>G---6-6-4-11-18-|-----------------------------------------|
>F#--0-0-0-0--0--|-[-10-0-]-[-3-5-]-[-10-8-]-[-3-5-3-5-7-]-|
>F#--0-0-0-0--0--|-[-10-0-]-[-3-5-]-[-10-8-]-[-3-5-3-5-7-]-|
>
>guitar 2 is doubled by the bass. i think when the vocal starts guitar two
>re-arranges a couple of its parts, but the fingerings are still the
same.
>
>the Bridge           the End
>                    repeat
>A---0-0-|---------|--2-0--|--4-|
>A---0-0-|---------|--2-0--|--4-|
>G---4-2-|--7-9-6--|--4-2--|--6-|
>G---4-2-|--7-9-6--|--4-2--|--6-|
>F#--0-0-|--0-0-0--|--0-0--|--0-|
>F#--0-0-|--0-0-0--|--0-0--|--0-|
>
>corrections, comments and requests welcome (be specific with requests)
>i love you, too.
>
>Sam Rowe
>
>--
>your loving hampster farm,
>-Sam
>you're supposed to stop reading now.
>your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.


--
your loving hampster farm,
-Sam
you're supposed to stop reading now.
your mother takes shits in the woods with the pope's funny hat on.
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